Explaining Photosynthesis RIDES 2.0 protocol
General Discussion

Fiamma Longoni
Mar 2021

I hope that the answer is not somewhere around, but honestly I couldn't find an explaination for that. I am using the Multispeq with my students, employing the RIDES protocol, however I can't really explain them how this protocol calculates NPQ related parameters as the sample is not dark adapted. Is there any "simple" explaination I can provide to them? Unfortunately for me reading the program code to understand the assumptions would take even longer... Just a reference to the paper behind the development of this protocol would be perfect.
I think that we will stick mostly on chlorophyll fluorescence parameters as the ECS and P700 signals are quite noisy in my hand...
Thank you in advance and best regards! Fiamma

Sebastian
Mar 2021

Hi Fiamma,
you are correct, for a regular measurement of NPQ you would require a dark adaptation. The RIDES protocols are meant for fast measurements in the field and a dark adaptation would slow this process down. So instead NPQ, NPQt is calculated, since it doesn't require a dark adaptation. The key is, that a value for the maximum quantum efficiency in a range of plants of about 0.83 is assumed. Here is a link to the publication.
Please find a list of the most common parameters and the way they are calculated here in the Documentation. The corresponding papers are referenced there as well.
~Sebastian
Atsuko Kanazawa
Mar 2021

Hi Fiamma,
I would like to add to Sebastian’s comment. The noisy signals of ECSt and P700 are often caused by the vibrations. It is sometimes hard to hold the instrument steady in the field, especially on a windy day. I usually steady the hand holding MultispeQ with the other hand, or a nearby fence or monopod/tripod. When you are measuring a long leaf that flatters in the wind, that also causes a noisy measurement. You could hold on to the end of the leaf as long as you do not disturb the leaf angle.
Also, the ECSt signal can become noisy if the background light is very low such as 20 micro mol/s/m2. I hope this helps.
-Atsuko

Fiamma Longoni
Mar 2021

Dear Sebastian and Atsuko, Thank you a lot for the links and the answer! Somehow I've missed the NPQ(T) paper, now it's much more clear!
And thank you also for the reference of the parameters and the hints on handling the multispeq!
I have also another question, handling the multispeq we have realized that sometimes the recorded temperature seem way off the actual environmental temperature... that's quite strange, is it possible that if you hold it too thigh you are actually warming up the temperature detector? It's really strange as the detector is located on the tip of the clamp (that's how I understand it at least) from the help page.
Have you ever encountered a similar issue?
Atsuko Kanazawa
Mar 2021

Hi Fiamma,
Before taking the MultispeQ to the field, please check where it was stored. As you can see, when the temperature in the field is different from the inside of the building or a car, you need to wait for the instrument to be warmed or cooled to the outside temperature. I usually place the MultispeQ outside for a while until it adjusts to the field condition. -Atsuko

exad3545
Nov 2023

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